Christ Alone

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  School Shooting - God

  by elder-schmelder in

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  god = loving.

  god = all powerfull.

  god didn't stop this from happing?.

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  Christ Alone

  True, unstop. I'm done.
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  School Shooting - God

  by elder-schmelder in

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  god = loving.

  god = all powerfull.

  god didn't stop this from happing?.

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  Christ Alone

  Christ Alone... you have hit new levels of low

  Stating the reality of the atheist postion angers you, does it? Don't like it when your rejection of any hope after life is put in real terms in real situation? The "reality" that these children are gone forever? The children that woke up this morning for school and will never been seen again?

  Stating THAT hits home?!? That's not a new low. The atheists here debate and debate and talk about how HAPPY and FREEEEEE they are now that they've gotten rid of belief.

  My point is that it's NOT a happy position, especially when a tragedy occurs. And bringing up the reality of that position is not a new low. I'm sorry that no one has the guts to say it like it is. But I do.

  YOU HAVE NO HOPE! Nothing. You die, that's it. And god forbid a loved one dies before thier time. But at least you can know that you were right! You have the facts and there is no hope for them!

  That's a new low?

  We just dont believe the nonsense in your 'holy' book of disgusting doctrines.

  Personally I think that the atheist doctrine of NOTHING is what is disgusting. I'm sorry. I usually don't get worked up like this, but it angers me. And you would be happy to talk to one of those parents and if asked if there was hope for their baby in heaven, you would tell them no. No hope. Just memories of them. That's the only place where their babies will live on. THAT is disgusting. My belief that those children are alive and well with their Father in heaven is absolutely NOT disgusting.
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  Why Isn't the USA the Safest Country in the World With All the Guns

  by RubaDub in

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  we have 9 guns for every 10 people in this country.

  since more guns = better protection, i keep asking myself why there is so much gun violence here ???.

  i don't see such violence in canada, australia, europe, japan and other so-called "advanced" countries.. what is wrong with us here.

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  Christ Alone

  but your argument followed to it's logical conclusion is that it's just not worth trying because it will have zero effect.

  That's not my argument. Like I've said, I'm ALL for tight gun control laws. And I'm not arguing the point because I own a gun, because I do not. I just cannot see how making it illegal for a normal upstanding citizen to get a gun will curb the problem of gun violence. It may help in regards to accidental shootings. But making guns illegal will not take them out of the hands of criminals.

  Look, we both want the same thing here. All of us do. We all want it impossible for criminals or those that will commit crimes to have a weapon. We all want that. So how do we work to making this happen? Take guns away from the innocent non-criminals? If a psychotic killer wants to get a gun, and it is illegal, that will not deter them. They will find a gun off the street and the crime will still be commited.
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  Why Isn't the USA the Safest Country in the World With All the Guns

  by RubaDub in

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  we have 9 guns for every 10 people in this country.

  since more guns = better protection, i keep asking myself why there is so much gun violence here ???.

  i don't see such violence in canada, australia, europe, japan and other so-called "advanced" countries.. what is wrong with us here.

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  Christ Alone

  The question still begs ... Why aren't other "advanced" countries affected by gun violence as the USA ??? What do we do differently here than

  Canada, England, Netherlands, France, Japan, etc. ???

  That's the million dollar question. I think much of it comes down to culture. What is different in US culture? What makes us so susceptible to gun violence?

  These other countries have their own unique problems as well. Why? Why is Japan 7th in all time suicide rates while the US is 38th? Could it be that they (Japanese) prefer to take the violence out on themselves rather than others?
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  Why Isn't the USA the Safest Country in the World With All the Guns

  by RubaDub in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  we have 9 guns for every 10 people in this country.

  since more guns = better protection, i keep asking myself why there is so much gun violence here ???.

  i don't see such violence in canada, australia, europe, japan and other so-called "advanced" countries.. what is wrong with us here.

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  Christ Alone

  It is false reasoning not to try just because you don't think a good law is possible.

  I for one am all in favor of stricter gun control. And I think that good gun laws are possible. But this will not fully solve the problem. I could see it having almost no effect on these sorts of tragedies. I pray that I'm wrong. But to illegalize the possession of guns (like has been done with drugs) is not the answer either. Gun violence is usually acted out by those that do not have a legal fire arm.

  Should a psych exam be required for everyone that possesses a gun? I would be all for that. But why are these events happening at an alarming rate?

  I do want to point out one thing. I hear many non-Americans talk about some sort of cowboy culture. This, in my experience, is an exaggeration. Everyone you see in public is not carrying a fire arm. Those that are are a large minority. Most states require strict training to obtain a concealed fire arm license. Should it be more strict? Sure. But those carrying a license to carry are usually not the ones carrying out the crimes like happened today.
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  Why Isn't the USA the Safest Country in the World With All the Guns

  by RubaDub in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  we have 9 guns for every 10 people in this country.

  since more guns = better protection, i keep asking myself why there is so much gun violence here ???.

  i don't see such violence in canada, australia, europe, japan and other so-called "advanced" countries.. what is wrong with us here.

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  Christ Alone

  But that's the thing, jgnat! It is EASIER to get crack than it is to get a gun! And crack is illegal. Making guns illegal may actually backfire and make guns ALOT more easy to obtain.

  Guns are already difficult to legally purchase. Making gun laws stricter may help a tiny fraction, and I'm all for it. But making guns more difficult to get legally is not the ultimate answer.
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  School Shooting - God

  by elder-schmelder in

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  god = loving.

  god = all powerfull.

  god didn't stop this from happing?.

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  Christ Alone

  Then you might want to get some psychological help, ES.

  No it's not a happy time for those parents. But at least they can have some hope of seeing their children again and knowing that their children did not go out of existence forever. Atheist? No hope. They've seen their children for the last time.

  Christians are to value life, and hence would not take their own life. Nor would they " send some kids to see their "loving god"". We have hope after we have died. It's not about us sending anyone (inluding ourselves) anywhere.

  But if you're happy in knowing that those kids are dead for all time, then fine. If you're happy knowing that when your kids die they will be forever dead as well, fine. But it doesn't seem like a very happy existence to me. Especially knowing that at any moment some wack job could do the same to either you or your kids.
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  School Shooting - God

  by elder-schmelder in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  god = loving.

  god = all powerfull.

  god didn't stop this from happing?.

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  Christ Alone

  If this is true, then we should all go out and send some kids to see their "loving god".

  You're right. We should tell the parents that there kids are dead and gone forever. It would be a sad time to be an atheist and a parent of one of those murdered children.

  But hey, we've considered the facts... and science has shown...and the evidence says...and we know because...

  No, there is no hope in atheism. None.
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  School Shooting - God

  by elder-schmelder in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  god = loving.

  god = all powerfull.

  god didn't stop this from happing?.

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  Christ Alone

  I'm sick for saying that they are in a better glorious place, instead of just dead now for all time? That sounds sick to me. No hope. No relief for grieving parents. Just dead. Enjoy this worldview. It's a depressing one.
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  Why Isn't the USA the Safest Country in the World With All the Guns

  by RubaDub in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  we have 9 guns for every 10 people in this country.

  since more guns = better protection, i keep asking myself why there is so much gun violence here ???.

  i don't see such violence in canada, australia, europe, japan and other so-called "advanced" countries.. what is wrong with us here.

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  Christ Alone

  But there is less crack around than if it were legally available in every Starbucks.

  I'd expect a better fallacy from you, Simon. Guns are not legally available in every Starbucks either. What a poor argument.